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Europe will never allow a bunch of barbarics (IRI goons included) to grow like a cancer...They will eradicate them as they should...!
And that is NOT due to the Europeans embracing islam, but due to the high birthrate of muslims and liberal immigration policy of Europe allowing muslims in!
European, or more accurately whites, will never agree to Islam.
It is much more likely aliens will land on earth THAN we see an Islamic Europe.
For the record I consider myself an agnostic but for the life of me I cannot believe what I'm reading here. Eradicate Muslims??!!!! Does Exterminate Jews ring a bell? Discussing your point of view in a civil way is one thing but promoting hatred for a group of people based on their religious beliefs must not be tolerated. I flagged this post and expect the editor of this site to take appropriate actions. Just think for a second, those guys over the other site HATE Jews and most of you guys over here HATE Muslims when more than likely the majority of you grew up in Muslim families with either parents or grandparents exorcising their right as a Muslim. Did they harm you in anyway? If this is your point of view then how on earth do you expect IRI to tolerate Baha'i community? Has it occurred to you that you are doing the exact thing against followers of another religion? What ever happened to tolerating another point of view? Guess what, there are over a billion Muslims on this earth with thousands of different point of views. Do all Christians think and act the same way? The answer is obvious. Then how do you give yourself the right to judge all Muslims the same way? Pathetic, just freaking pathetic. IRI has made a mental case out of all of us. NO Exception.
Kamal FM
You are way off base. Let me tell you why. First of all, to claim that a specific sect or group must be eradicated is not enough to rate them as extrimists of some sort. it has to be accompanied by action, Now if you look at what is happenning in iran, such statements are accompanied by definitive actions and bad things are occurring to bahais for example, which has the potential to cause serious harm and create major imbalance withing that community.
Secondly, Just because someone adopts a negative tone towards the jews and muslims, does not put them in the category of Jew/muslim hating.
Also, Growing in up in a supposedly muslim family may not have had any bad effects on us per se, but when you look outside the box so to speak, If you do not realize the utterly destructive damages it has exacted up on us and our economy and everything else under the sun, you would (not YOU per se) be one ignoramus to still find yourself in defense of all those 'religious" so -called philosophy or principles upon which this system is base.
Don't be so quick to pass judgement.
Does anyone know if userIDs Bishop_of_Bling and KamalFM are indeed the same real person?
Bart_Man, let me assure you that I have nothing to hide. I've been a member of JJ's sites for close to 20 years. That is my own picture and my own first name. Due to sensitivity of my job I can not display my own last name but I know for fact that a lot of you know my last name as well (Darius Kadivar being one of them) So anything of substance that you want to contribute or are we still going to continue this juvenile game of " Let's gang up on someone that we don't know but let's label him an IRI apologist anyway"
DoctorMohandes,
I’m not sure what you are trying to say. The survey is about growing followers of ISLAM in Europe. It does not say anything about a specific minority of Muslims. I_C_W says “Europe will Eradicate them as they should” As you know Eradicate means to destroy. It does not mean to convert them, it does not mean to deport them, it does not mean to limit their rights. IT SAYS TO DESTROY THEM, TO INIHILATE THEM, TO MURDER THEM. Now, if that is not a hateful thing to say then I don’t know what else is considered a vengeful act. Muslims have become a punching bag of all those racists that can no longer utter what they really want to say about blacks and other minorities. I guarantee you that if the word Muslim is changed to Jews or Americans the person who wrote it will already be placed on some sort of watch list. Remember, the strategy is always the same. First denigrate your enemy to the level of not being human and once the public is hypnotized in believing it then you can do whatever you wish to those poor people since you have convinced that the enemy is nothing more than a rat. Did you watch the coverage of the last war against Iraq in the western media? 99% of the time they show Iraqis wearing ethnic clothing when you and I know that Iraq was one of the most westernized countries in Middle East. Did you ever ask yourself why? I tell you why, because they want to give an image of some primitive people whose value system is on a much lower level than U.S. and Western European countries, hence they have not really developed in to a human being yet. They demonize the enemy on so many levels that by the time they are done with you, there is no passionate emotions left in you for another human being. To sum it up, let’s make a deal. I denounce the IRI as an inhumane, murderer regime with no qualifications or legitimacy to govern and must go. There are no ifs or buts, no reformist this, progressive that. In return I’m asking you to denounce any act of violence be it verbal or physical, against millions of innocent Muslims (or any other religion) who are just looking for freedom to exercise their religion in the privacy of their home or place of worship. Deal?
Kamal FM
Yes you do. You know darn too well what i am saying here.
Look. You are so against verbal violence and in fact all sorts of violence that you practically overlook the kind of crime that IS RIGHT NOW!! taking place in iran. and this is not just about people being placed in jailed cells and receiveing long prison sentences, Likle it is done in many western countries including the US. We are talking about executing people on a daily basis for the most rediculous of charges, ONE OF THEM my dear sir, being the Free and unfettered practice of their respective religion. Need i mention any names? good!
So My point is that you are Ignoring this whole ordeal and yet you get your danders up just because someone makes his opinion known to the whole world, even though it might come across as a bit outrageous, but compared with what we are seeing in action in iran, IT IS NOTHING:)))
You speak so harshly about the western demonization of middle eastern people, as if in iran we see anything but. Do you even realize that the primary theme of Iranian new media whenever it comes down to giving a glimpse of life in west, Is still based on their depravity , carelessness, vulgarity and basically them being nothing but thugs and uncivilized people. I mean when a leader of a country speaks out publicly about such things, Do you reall expect the official gov. position on this issue, the attitude towards west be any different?? So Some of these muslim gov's are equally guilty and to be blamed for the same "inhumanity" and "denigration" that pisses you off.
Muslims in the world get more freedom that they should have to practice their customes and beliefs and believe me i do not anything deragetory by that. They do! They run mosques, they have their functions, they have their mass prayers, what more do they want? Going out on the sttreets and convert people?
I am sorry, the agreement that you are propsoing has a major flaw. I agree with the first part however, the second clause in it, i don't think it speaks to the truth of the matter, so i don't have any reasons for endorsing the issue.
so do we go to extra time now...sudden death...or penalty kicks?:))
Rational people, those who can think for themselves, will never agree to ANY religion to put a shackle on them as it the case with all religions.
Unfortunately, rational, logical folks are kind of hard to find.
You got a brain, use it for crying outloud!
DoctorMohandes,
We don’t need to go to overtime period. We need a set of rules that we can both agree upon. I already said how horrible the IRI has been. If that is the only part that you have issues with then I will add more adjectives to show my dislike for them even more. We see that on this page day in and day out. I have never said anything to the contrary, so why is it that I’m treated like IRI’s existence is due to support from I !!. My point is we have to keep an open eye to any kind of injustice or we will be no different from those guys. I have no doubt that we have people on this site who will do about the same atrocities against Muslims if they were given the chance. So, let’s show IRI that we can be tolerant of their views (no matter how backwards) as long as religious institutions are separate from governments. As horrible as IRI’S actions are, they are not the MOST DISASTEROUS EVENT IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND as some of the members suggest. As I mentioned on another post, we either know nothing about history or we are so consumed by our own narcissistic behavior as if the sun revolves around us Iranians. Just to give you a glimpse, imagine if along with all murders and killings, IRI also made certain entire ethnicities to leave their homeland and go live somewhere totally in contrast with their life style. Let’s say send entire Kurdish population to Baluchestaan, Entire Baluch tribes to Azarbaayejaan and so on. STALIN DID THAT ! Japan suffered not 1 but 2 atomic bombs explode over their CIVILIAN population not military when Germany had already surrendered! Vietnam suffered almost 30 YEARS OF WAR against 2 western powers, France and U.S. , Germans did all those genocides and yet they have friendly relationship with all those ethnicities and countries that they once either tried to destroy or ruled over them.
And yet Communist party is free to function in Russia, Japan has friendly cultural and economic ties with U.S., so is Vietnam with both U.S. and France. As bad as IRI is, it is not the worst thing that ever happened to mankind, not even in the 20th century, let alone the entire history!! So, let’s put things in perspective. Everybody knows (yes, even the Akhoonds) that one of these days IRI will be gone for good (It will take a while) but are we ready to decide for ourselves in a free Iran. All evidence point to a resounding NO and that’s where we need to concentrate in fixing or we will have no choice but to repeat the history. The first time was a tragedy, next time around will be a comedy. No tolerance for hatred in any shape and form is the only answer.
Ex_CoP
I’m not sure who was the target of your comment. Just in case it was meant for me, I refer you to my first comment under this post. I’m an agnostic. No shackles around my wrists.
Kamal,
General comment as most of mine are. It's good that you are shackleless.
BTW, agnostics are those who are too timid to agree that they are actually athiests :-)
Kamal FM
The iri has been running roughshod over for iranians within iran and all you would prescribe to keep our eyes open and be careful so as not to become like them and fight injustices...Don't you think that is a tacit support of fascism in some ways? I am not saying you are a die-hard supporter and "they are in buisness because you support them". But can you even go so far as to call this a logical statement? We have to tolerate all the crap they bring our way, Just so that we can prove we are not like them? To whom??? who are we supposed to convince? the people of the world who do not give two sh...about us ?? Is that what keeps you satisfied?
So, What i gather from your assertions, is that even though you hate these guys and you would squash them like a cockroach, if only u were in charge of running things in the region! yet you think that them savagely forcing people into the most denigrating and humiliating situations and farnkly robbing their futures right before their eyes, is ok and can be tolerated, JUST so long as they are not forcing anyone out of their homeland...that makes all else ok and tolerable ...because our standard scale here is Stalin of ANCINET HISTORY had done so???
So i guess one benefit of Living in the modern times is that you still can f....your own people as long as you stick to some ground rules! And all those other examples that you mentioned, have to to with external / international relations among countries, This is what is going on in our territory, with those who most people claim to be "of our own" and not so different from us.
What you really are not comprehending my friend, is that it DOES NOT HAVE TO BE THE WORST THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED IN HUMAN HISTORY, what is bad and what does not work and what can not be reformed , cured , or repaired must be removed. Come to tehran or any city and just go out there and run a general survey and assess the moods and see for yourself. MAJOR STAGNATION BUD!
You are the one who needs to Put things in perspective for your own self. everyone else is way ahead of you in that dept. man. ... But look, you have a good point there about "fixing" things, Now i have seen you putting people on the spot asking them what would have been the alternative, had we gotten rid of iri. so let me ask you now. RIGHT NOW, not in the near future and please NO IT WILL TAKE TIME buisness, RIGHT NOW, tell me how can we get our freedom back and just precisely how do you propose we should get down and dirty and fix things?
Folks,
The IRI is not the worse thing ever. So what if it has executed tens of thousands of Iranian men and women and sent hundreds of thousands of young men and boys to their deaths so that Emam Khomeini could conquer Karbala and Qods? We need to put that into perspective and see that it's really not that bad. One of these days, the IRI will be gone (poof, it will just go away all on its own). I promise you that it will happen eventually. After all, everything happens eventually, no?
Amir is right. IRI is not that bad, after all they only killed tens of thousands of young, old, educated, teen agers, pregnant women, and minorities and only sent five hundred thousand men to their death in a useless war,and they only practice gender aparthied on fifty percent of the population and the destruction of eco systems , lakes , rivers, wild life, historical treasure ah that's nothing, who really needs them? and weekly hangings in public square well that is just entertainment. Looting national treasure aka oil and gaz, well come on that is just a myth!
Always compare everything with Hilter and Stalin and you will look good!
Now as for Europe it may become islamic, after all demography is destiny and musilms have larger families than every one else. The only thing is just because some one is born muslim by birth it does not make them follower of islame nabe mohammadi.
Ok guys, let’s try again. You have said all there is to say about how bad the IRI is and I AGREE WITH ALL OF IT. Is that better? Now let’s add a philosophical aspect to the whole equation. Where do you think these guys came from? I give you the answer. From within the heart of our screwed up society. When people find a strand of hair in their holly book and take it as a miracle, when they see amaameh and rish o pashm on the full moon why on earth we deserve any better? When I read comment after comment, post after post on this site describing what disgusting things they are going to do when they get their hands on Akhoonds what does that tell me. It tells me that either we are savages or mentally sick, just like those guys who captured Gaddafi and put a stick up his behind in front of cameras for the world to see how civilized the opposition forces were. And look where Libya is today. Contrary to our beliefs these akhoond did not come from Mars. Like it or not there is a little akhoond in all of us or we would have behaved much differently. Just the mere fact that we don’t have a united opposition or something close to it after all these years reveals all we need to know. We need to learn the alphabet before we can write a novel. I never separate myself from the rest of us. We all have shortcomings, lack of experience, lack of social and political education to various degrees. The minute I see someone separating him/herself and take the self appointed position of mentor on these matters I stop listening. The hardest part of this whole situation is getting over the denial. COLLECTIVELY, WE AS A NATION SCREWED UP. even for those of us who were not around at the time of so called revolution, we need to ask ourselves other than exposing IRI’s true nature (preaching to the converted) what have we done? The answer is clear to me: Zilch.
@kamal: which government in recent Iranian history has executed people anywhere to the same extent as the Mollah Regime? The Shah's regime executed about 400 people in the years 1941-1978. The Islamist tyranny executed more than that in 2013 alone. If the contention is that "collectively, we as a nation are screwed up" and therefore our government has to be screwed up too, why did things get 100 times worse starting in 1979??? If the current mess is simply because it's a reflection of Iranians, then shouldn't the preceding government have been as bad or even worse??? I hear it all the time from the anti- anti-IRI people (the ones always focused on criticizing opponents of the IRI) that if "you guys" had power, you would be 1000 times worse than the IRI, etc, etc. Well, some of us "guys" or our parents, peers, relatives, etc saw that when the previous regime had power, it did not exercise it anywhere nearly as ruthlessly as the IRI did. That is a fact.
I guess the argument is that there is no alternative to the Mollah Regime, because that's just the way Iranians are (it's in our nature, I guess, like the story of the scorpion and the frog). Perhaps that argument can be made about any tyrannical government in history (but curiously, I mostly see this argument used only when discussing the IRI).
Amir, it seems like we keep misunderstanding each other. For the sake of better communication let’s present our case in the question format and ask the other party to specifically address the question. I believe you agree with me that members of this site as a whole make up a group that is in the top half of Iranian society in regards to education, social status, financial status, …… please take a few minutes and read some of the posts by certain members in describing what should be done to anything with IRI label, be it Khomeini shrine to Khamenehee to Ahmadi Nejad and so on. Just because I feel embarrassed by such behavior does not make me sympathetic to IRI. They are a closed book and were a closed book from day 1 for me. What I’m trying to say is that if we do not learn the alphabet of communications and tolerance we will still get rid of the Mullahs but we will never get to our rightful place in history and there will always be danger of civil war/ separation of different ethnic groups from motherland and so on. United, we never be defeated but getting there will require hard work.
Kamal, let's agree to disagree and leave it at that for now.
Brother kamal.
As I said before many times, Unlike everybody else here , I dont think that you are in love with hassan rouhani and maybe get free sacks of pistachio nuts from his friend rafsanjaani. I believe everything you say regarding your name , job and photo. But I have two questions:
1- what type of a sensitive job do you have which allows you to come here and write big comments 24 hours, every day? I ask only because I want one of those jobs!
2- why do you hold your neck out that way in your photo? I ask this because I know this people, and they start talking about you.
Brother Seyed Javad, if you have learned anything here, I hope you have learned that the IRI is not really that bad. Any questions, brother?
Guys,
I have tried my best to open up a constructive dialogue among members here and to my disappointment it seems like either I’m not doing a good job to explain my position or certain members are more interested to give humor and being witty a try. Either way is waste of time, since I feel like I’m repeating myself and reading some juvenile commentary in the name of humor is not my cup of tea. I stick with reading Oscar Wilde, Mark Twain, David Sedaris, Kurt Vonnegut,…….
As Amir said let’s agree to disagree and move on. Since I was put on spot on a couple of comments from the time of my last reply, I feel obliged to explain a couple of baseless accusations. This will be my last comment under this post.
Seyed Javad:
1) You may be fixated or sensitive to seeing my name or photo on this site. Speaking factually, I checked the first page of both Farsi and English sections of this site and out of 60 items I counted a total of 3 posts with contributions from me and this post is the only one out of the 3 that I’ve made multi comments, so there goes your theory of my presence here 24/7. Furthermore, as I’ve mentioned in the past, I’m a pretty fast typist (110 wpm to be exact) so none of my comments including this one has taken more than 2 to 3 minutes to write. By saying concerns for sensitivity of my job, I was not bragging about how important my job is. Most of you don’t even use your first name but somehow meddling with my privacy is a fair game. Go figure.
2) As for my photo, I’m not sure what you mean but thanks for being pretty athletic. I’m not holding it in any specific position. I’m just a big guy with a big neck, glad to hear that it was a source of entertainment for you.
Amir: I never said IRI is not that bad and actually agreed with all the adjectives that you and your friends used. I was trying to emphasize the fact that “in historical context” it is not the worst thing that has happened and I was not comparing it just to Hitler and Stalin. Good luck to all of you.