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A treacherously Naive Diaspora ... that's why ...
were it different you wouldn't have hesitated in 2009 and instead of encouraging people to jump on the Green Bandwagon demanding "democracy" you would have instead encouraged them to seek regime change.
2009 was a counter revolutionary upheaval which was recuperated by the west residing IRI Apologists and EVERYONE from Prince to Pauper in a shortsighted view jumped on it.
The clueless politically shortsighted Diaspora has been the useful idiot of both the IRI and the Obama administration to get over you and cut a deal with the very regime that ousted you guys from your own country.
Well I guess that is the price to pay when you force your King in Exile to apologize for the "coup" and turn a man's name with a political and historical capital:
from "Reza Shah Dovom" to "Reza Joon"
Live with it now ...
Fesenjoon_the_Great (an interesting name);
I think your answer is the combination of a few choices you mentioned plus some other points. From what I gatthered some governments prefer a low life system for a rich nation like ours. The more stupid a regime is the better these governments like it. And don't let a few people fool you by mentioning danger of nukes or terrorism. It is all under control. Iran only needs to make one or two bombs you will see world will collapse arround them.
These governments' nightmare begins when a regime comes into power and tells Iranian people;
- build your country up and don't wait for imam zaman as he may not appear.
- improve your economy and be part of the world business activities.
- we should stop building Iran's army but improve our country.
- and a few more......
Also partly agree with DK in regard to Iranian diaspora, How many of them tried to question people like Ahmadinejad when he visited NY etc? It is always talks and talks.
Darius
The diaspora is a reflection of people in Iran, I think.
I think the 35 yrs that Pahlavis ruled were some of the best years people in Iran have ever seen, especially considering what came after.
That being said, I don't think we'll ever see the Pahlavi era ever return. That time, sadly, has come and past.
What lies ahead? I have no Frikin clue. (...but I do fear Putin aakhar kaar dast e hameh mideh)
We are too passive in nature. We go with the flow because anything different is too hard, "halaa bikhiyaal" attitude is at the heart of it all. We're waiting for "someone else" to fix it - or - as you stated, it's all good...especially if they give us more "freedom".
Diaspora has nothing to do with it.
I don't think the Pahlavis will return either ... but I would not rule out the monarchy.
The monarchy is far from buried ... and I don't mean in the shape of a Putin Like Presidency ... oh no ... I mean as a Monarchy, a real monarchy with a fellow putting the Crown on his head and restoring himself on the throne in the shape of a new dynasty. Even if that means using an ideology to reach that objective by subtly combining demagogue promises of glory and political manoevering by pushing on the buttons that hurt or titilate society. Very much like in France with the inevitable rise of Le Pen ( not that I support her far from that).
Political struggles are all rooted in ambition. What Iran lacks today is ambitious and visionary leaders. But nothing is impossible when the desire of one man ( or woman) coincides with that of a nation across generations.
It may not happen in our lifetime but Republicanism ( democratic or not) will remain as a blemish and a scar on the Iranian psyche ...
Not because Republicanism in itself is a bad thing ... it's just not an Iranian "thing"
It will be inevitably both ideologically and historically be associated to that National Suicide of 1979. The grudges against the immature way in which Republicanism took root in a nation like Iran which gave the World the Shahnameh will continue to poison Iran's political landscape for generations to come as long as the nation at large has not been able to find a satisfactory way of addressing this frustration.
That awareness alone will be the ideological root from which the monarchical cause will arise from it's ashes.
Unfortunately however the future aspiring monarch or monarchists won't be advocating a Constitutionalist Monarchy, let alone democracy to which people like me aspire to but an absolute and ultra nationalistic and maybe even Imperialistic Monarchy.
The Iranian Disapora and particularly the Iranian American Diaspora buried to hopes of people like me in advocating the minimum requirement of a Parliamentary system to justify a Constitutional Monarchy for Iran.
They by large betrayed the Monarchist cause to become More american than Iranian and forced their exiled King to become the powerless "shahrvand" he has become since.
That's something Monarchists like me will never forgive the Diaspora for.
What the Iranian Americans in particular ( including amongst their deemed "eminent" and "educated" elite) did to the Pahlavis by turning them into this Soap Opera Tragic Comedy spectacle which has made a mockery of anything we aspire to, has been the nail in the coffin in any hopes of a Constitutional Monarchist Movement.
Monarchists will look for elsewhere and I'm afraid that what will drive them is vengeance on all that was done to their country and the institution they uphold above any other concept including democracy.
They won't seek reconciliation but vengeance in the form of a powerful ideology that will hold not only republicans ( secular or not) but Mossadeghis and even the Western Democracies accountable for what they did to a once mighty kingdom.
Given the mess the Middle East has become and the lack of democratic appeal even in it's immediate neighboring countries, Iran won't be any more of a exception to the rule.
Iranians aren't democrats, it's not in our genes. The Gharbzadeh IRI apologists like Trita Parsi, Reza Aslan or Houman Majd who are alien to Iranian nature as much as the Pahlavi Heirs who are out of touch with their roots cannot represent a serious alternative to the Islamic Republic. But the Islamic Republic is not even an alternative to itself.
So whatever the future holds for Iran, it can only be one that reconciles Iranians across the political spectrum.
That I'm afraid won't be Democracy ...
Nation's like Iran aspire to greatness before such western concepts like democracy.
Throughout our history we have had dynasties that have come and gone but the appeal for a Reza Shah Like Character or a Cyrus the Great is in our blood.
That's something which the Reza Aslans and Houman Majds and other lipstick Jihadists like Roya Hakakian or Azadeh Moavenian and other Bee Hovyats of this Iranian American Bubble world who are too absorbed with their Infatuation for western democratic values and their likeminds will never understand.
But the day that Monarchist movement takes shape in one form or another ... All these pseudo Fashion victim intellectuals will look dumber than ever and realize how out of touch and un authentic they ultimately are.
How about this: The majority of TRUE Iranians, i.e., those who hold Iranian citizenship only, and have Iran as their permanent residence DO support the islamic regime as it represents their true Persian heritage?
@Bart_Man: in view of the fact that you do not speak Persian, have never traveled to Iran and know little to nothing about Iran's literature, etc, is it fair to assume that you know nothing about what Iranians' "true Persian heritage" might or might not be?
The criminally barbaric regime is there because of me And, you. And it can't be removed without force. And, there's nothing wrong to accept strategic help from outside.
Can I ask Bart_man to write in Farsi? Let's have a chat, Bart!
Darius
That Iranians are historically and inherently monarchist in one form or another is something I will agree with. But consider this (and this is a scary thought but one that has kept me thinking for some time):
What if we're already experiencing a monarchist system? In my book, this regime is practically a monarchist system, an evil one, and supposedly sanctioned by God himself. Instead of a crown there is a turban and instead of a "ghebleye aalam" there is a "naayeb-e Imam Zaman". The hieracrchy seems completely monarchical, except that it has rang-o-lo'aab of religion instead of nationalism. Khamenei's rule and say is absolute. Theyre already making him into a divine figure en par with Ali and Hosein. And when he dies, Mojtaba may or may not replace him, but the dynasty (aka "nezaam") will continue.
In that sense, youre already too late, because republicanism never actually took hold of Iran after 79. Rather, one dynasty (albeit incompetent) simply ousted another. Khomeini knew that the masses would gather round a leader with charisma. (something which you correctly point out we dont have).
Think about it: not only is monarchism in our genes, but it goes even deeper than that imo: the very concept of IMAM ZAMAN is nothing but a virtual placeholder for an all-powerful, all encompassing figure whom people look up to to solve their problems. It's as if Cyrus and his farr never really faded away from our psyche!
What I'm trying to say is that the ruling establishment, in a sense, is already using this inherent tendency of Iranians for a monarchist system, and combining it with religion (to make itself untouchable and infallible) to immortalize itself.
And if that's true, then you and I are f*cked, because this regime will outlast us all. And the people inside Iran are f*cked even more, because the country will continue spiraling into sh*t and will drown in its own stench of corruption and incompetency.
This is a dark age in history, and it will be around for a long long time.
Non of above!
The real answer: Because 1000 iranian men put together can not form a ball as big as the one on one of those teenage kurdish peshmarga girls in Koobani who sent ISIS animals running for their lives all the way back to France and germany and london to their mamas and papas!
If any relief, Iraqi soldiers seem to have even a smaller ball than iranian men!
Perhaps something to do with being a shite muslim !
Hamal nailed it. No guts no glory, it's that simple. Two million people were pushed back to their homes to shout alah o akbar from their roof top by four to five thousand low life's on motorcycles in 2009!
The only Iranian people with guts are Kurds. They have been fighting islamo fascists relentlessly since the day one and at this juncture I believe they want to seperate and I don't really blame them.