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مرسی شازده عزیز. من از روز اول گفتم که آن "دلال محبت" اینکاره نیست. ولیکن چون پولی خرج کرده بود و در اوایل کاری به کار ما نداشت با هاش همکاری کردیم. ولی تا زیر پاش یک کمی سفت شد ماهیت اصلیش را نشان داد و سایت را تبدیل کرد به "شهر نو" رژیم و اصلاح طلب های "شرمگاه کش" و "اردو کش های" اینترنتی نایاک
Brother Assad Allah.
There are different levels of "IRI Friendliness". In the case of iranian.com, If by "IRI friendly" you mean a "wholy owned and operated subbsidiary of Ali Khamenei's criminal enterprises Inc.", then my answer to your survey is an emphatic yes.
DK: right on, but at least the old IC had 100 times more tolerance for opposing views.
Faramarz jan: that is true, but the anarchy after the collapse of old IC in December 2012, further pushed the new owner into the bossom of lobbies like NIAC who have now assigned 4 "moderators" to help him "run" the site for "free".
Brother Javad: as-salam va allaykom va mena'taba'al hoda! I wouldn't go so far as characterize the new IC crowd as Khamenei criminals. They are mostly made of "Tavaabs" from the leftist groups, plus some Islamist wannabes, who are trying to make a buck.
FWIS, my take on the subject,
I believe we are becoming as polarized as ever and Iranian.com and Iroon.com is given both sides a venue to vent out. I had left Iranian.com many months ago, primarily because of the atmosphere that was created by the members, this is before Mr. Amin’s take over. I have recently been visiting it again and I agree that I see a very lopsided articles and news posting that is highly critical of the West and their approach to the ME, including Iran without much about the crimes of IRI other than the political prisoners. I have also seen nothing that points to NIAC have any role in this, other than many of the iroon.com members wish to make it so. If there is, it is behind the scenes and in secret. The ranting of a few members here does not cut it for me other than their credibility or lack of.
Iroon.com on the other hand seem to have no editorial policy and as wide and open as it gets (i.e. people call to murder of another group and JJ seem to be just fine with that). I also believe it is dominated by those who support the hawks in the West, mirror image of Iranian.com in terms of member’s bias view.
It seems we are as divided and partisan as ever with little room for common sense and reason.
Having said that, I have been considering stopping visiting Iranian.com as only one tune seem be playing there, though Mr. Amir has insisted of singing it politely.
Mehrdad
Dear Mehrdad,
Thanks for your inciteful comments. I agree with almost all of it, except that having no editorial policy is a plus for Iroon and was plus for Iranian. The old Iranian.com only cared about the "quality" of postings, not their content. As such, higher quality material was promoted, whether the editor agreed with its content or not.
The other big difference is Commenting. Right now at Iranian, the comment section is dominated by the Admins themselves, with full "moderation" for almost everyone else. There cannot be any meaningful "debate" like that!
Shazde Jaan,
People who allow themselves to be "moderated" by "NIAC volunteers!" are beyond my comprehension and understanding. I understand that human beings, like cockroaches can endure and survive the harshest environments. But something needs to be said about human dignity and keeping your head high!
Those old-fashioned principles never go out of style!
Shazedh jaan,
I am in full agreement with your view, including the editorial policy to promote higher quality postings. Most if not all on-line forums have some policy in place to prevent abuse and/or promotion of violence act. I believe this is missing in Iroon.com.
Although, one can argue that in a mature society/system, those will type of abuses will be taken care of by the group who just ignore them and they eventually will have to either reform or move on. We will see if we at Iroon.com can establish such group.
Mehrdad
Good to see you Shazde. Iranian.com is nothing more than another Press TV now. I have noted that it censors most news that are harmful to IRI or its US branch NIAC. In cases when they cannot reject a story without showing their real face, it just ends up in one of the back pages. While I no longer visit it, I have checked it for reporting on a few stories and existence of a censor policy in favour of IRI was proved in each case.
I think we should move all our previous postings from the site in order to clearly show that we no longer have any association with the Iranian.com. I would not mind moving them here but do not wish to post them as new material. Anyone knows a good online place for the purpose?
Divaneh jan,
You are right, for someone like us who enjoys writing and sharing it with other Iranians, the key issue is all the material left on Iranian.Com.
I spent 5 years writing and posting there. Out of the good-bad-and-ugly, there are over 100 pieces that I have cheerished and are in the IC archives. Still, when I post something there, it is read by a 1-2 thousand people, which shows a broad reach. I don't know what to do!
Well said, Mehdrad.
"I have also seen nothing that points to NIAC have any role in this, other than many of the iroon.com members wish to make it so. If there is, it is behind the scenes and in secret. The ranting of a few members here does not cut it for me other than their credibility or lack of."
It is quite sad that some monarchy sympathizers on this website are as clueless here as they were in 1979 when the country was clumsily handed to Mullahs. It sure is an stretch but one sometime wonders if these people with their cardboard view of monarchy are in fact IRI agents posing as Royalists. But hey, there is NP and Sousan Khanoom on Iranian.com to balance the naivete out. What a pity the balance equals zero which equates the condition of Iran.
Shazdeh asdolah Mirza.
I just came here to thank you for your principled stance in Masoud Khodabandeh's blog on killing of MKO members in camp Ashraf recently published in iranian.com. I dont know how you managed to get your comment past the "admin" who seem to be also the most prolific commentor and blogger on that site. But well done!
I disagree with bavafa's conclusions comparing this site with iranian.com. True there are people on both sites who hold extremist views. There are people on both sites who accuse others of being a "Monarchist", "MKO member", "Mossad Agent", etc. The key difference is that on iranian.com, all the accusations are published and remain unchallenged, cause the answers to them are blocked by the "admin". Here on the other hand, one can defend himself against this kind of cheap accusations. So when user "trawetsdor" accuses people of being a "Clueless Monarchist", because he disagrees with them. I'd respond to him that I am not a Monarchist and I believe that iranian.com is run by NIAC. which makes you mr "trawetsdor" the real clueless amongst us :)
Dear Hamal,
The other big difference between Iranian's new owner and the old owner (Iroon's current boss) is that Said Amin reads emails and replies to them! That is how I could get that Comment past the Moderators.
Initially, that Comment was deleted within 1 minute of my posting + my comment privilages were blocked. I emailed Mr. Amin and argued with him, who clearly didn't know the murky history behind the writer (M.Kh.). I shared with him MKh's own website link, so that he could see for himself. After some back and forths, my comment was allowed, as not being in violation of the IC policies.
But then one of the Admins (Darya, Susan, etc) came out and commented at me (actually baiting me) "asking for an answer". I posted a reply to her, which was held in "pending" mode for many hours, and then simply deleted!
I wrote again to Mr. Amin, imploring him to be wary of this IRI friendly crowd, but this time he stopped replying. I tried to raise this issue within a blog on Iranian.com itself, but noticed that even my blogging previlage was blocked.
Having LOL's like that witch (Darya, Susan, etc) was having on the bloody bodies of unarmed and clueless Mojahedin in Iraq, was too much for me to tolerate. People like her and M.Kh. are simply evil with no respect for the lives of others, and with willful joy and intention of destroying them, by actions and by words.
Down with the Islamic Republic of Hell.
Down with the IRI agents of murder and torture.
Shazde Jaan,
I will look around for a proper place to create a blog and place all the previous material, and will let you know if I find the right solution. To expect JJ to do something to allow such a facility here is just wishful thinking. Plus, there is no guarantee that he would not sell this site to the next IRI middle man if it became popular. Your popularity is the result of your own writings Shazde and will attract the same viewership in any site with a decent readership. Why don't you publish your writings in both sites? Also bear in mind that the stats in iroon.com and iranian.com are reporting on very different measures. Iranian.com records the number of hits while iroon.com records the number of unique visitors. i.e. unlike iranian.com revisiting the article by the same user does not increase the stats in iroon.com
Dear Rod Stewart,
I have found your comment very unfair. To assume that people are here because they want to avoid their opinions being challenged is just pure ignorance. The people such as SK and NP that you have named, and incidentally I find them the loudest but not the most knowledgeable, freely exchanged their opinions with the rest of us and nobody was avoiding them. There was a debating society with people from all backgrounds exchanging comments. That has now changed and many of us with sharper nose than you have smelt the rat. NP, SK and any other old or new contributor who is interested in a free exchange of opinions is very welcome here.
With respect to NIAC, it has always had an interest in Iranian.com and if you look at the weight of the materials in that site that reflect on the NIAC policies you get an idea of what goes behind the scene. If it acts like a dock and sounds like a dock, it is a dock.
Thanks Divaneh jan, but I have tested Iranian.Com - its hits too are now based on unique viewers. There is an order of magnitude difference between the number of viewers in Iroon versus Iranian. You can also check their stats on Alexa.Com.
Soosan Khanoom as a moderator! Give me a break please!
She has the IQ of a cheerleader, without the measurements; 36-24-36!
Rod Stewart,
With the exception of DK, all of the Monarchists are actually active on IC, not here, and not that there is anything wrong with them.
But to our credit, we have managed to clean up Iroon.com of all Tudeh-ei's, NIAC'ies, Confederasioni's and Commies!.
I can personally attest that on numerous, numerous, numerous occasions completely fact-based comments of mine have been blocked on Iranian.com. And yes, Soosie joon "akaDarya" who posts some of the most asinine pro-Assad, pro-IRI nonsense is one of the darlings of Iranian.com. Along with the Leader Brother Trita, whose pro-IRI tripe appears on their Twitter feeds, she is another one of the NIACi riff-raff at Iranian.com
Shazdeh
You say that just because your two comments on that blog about Camp Asharaf, have been deleted.
you did the same with the old Iranian.com. Many times you have accused Jahanshah, you have always called him "the old bassijji"....pro IRI...etc, etc. You always coarse him and all the moderators at Iranianl.com. You even accused him of having an affaire with me, because your insults to me have been always deleted.
Now, you do the same with the Iroon.com because they have deleted your comments, couple of days ago. You will do the same with Iroon.com in the near future, when things won't go your way and your abusing comments will be deleted.
Iroon does not have a real policy right now, because they need more materials to be posted and they don't want to narrow the materials here. I don't agree with that.
Still, I have been with it from the day one, when some of you, were holding back from coming here. Faramarz and Fred and Co. come here because they can not exist in Iranian.com, as before. Some people (especially Faramarz) have always been protected by JJ. He could say everything he wanted to the people and get away with that. Now he can't!
Here is the true reason why you are all now gathering in this site, to build the same atmosphere as in the old Iranian.com !
That Faramarz is a bad boy! He should wash his mouth with soap!
There is absolutely no question in my mind that there is severe censorship in Iranian.com at this time. Cencorship and lack of freeedom of speech is the Iranian nation's curse, I left Iranian.com as a protest as many others did after the new policy went into effect. However, I have had decent exchanges with Said Amin himself.
خوب بدی دیگه فرامرز جان، قبول داری؟
حالا حد اقل سعی کن دیگه اینجا رو شلوغ نکنی. دیگه این دست خودته که چطوری خودتو کنترل کنی، چونک جی جی که هیچوقت جلوتو نمیگیره.
موفق باشی دوست قدیمی.
در ضمن دلم خیلی واسه اون موقعها که شعرهای خودت رو در مشاعره مینوشتی تنگ شده.
آقای اَمین از روزِ اوّل خطِ قرمز را نشان داده و صریحاً با وضعیتِ ایرانیان دات کامِ قدیمی مخالفت کرد، کاملاً مشخّص است که آنجا با چکّش و قیچی با کاربران برخورد خواهد کرد، این سبکِ فاشیستی باعث میشود که بسیاری از کاربران دیگر آنجا مطلب به چاپ نرسانَند، قطعاً این آقای امین است که بازندهٔ کار است. با سپاس.
Correction, in my comment to Shazdeh:
"Now, you do the same with the Iroon.com because they have deleted your comments, couple of days ago"
Should read : the new Iranian.com.
The hits on Iranian.com are not based on unique viewers...You can test it yourself by hitting the refresh button. Everytime you refresh, it is counted as one hit while the user is the same.
Here is my 2cents. I don't think NIAC is involved. NIAC's view are pro-reformist, pro-rafsanjani...Iranian.com views are the views of Ahmadinejad and the hardliners. I think *NP's relatives own the site....lol
Remember NP had at one point said that she has relatives in IRGC.
Thanks Firedup: you and Divaneh are correct ... I tested again, and Iranian.Com is currently counting per visit (repetitive).
Souri: yes, I've always maintained that JJ worked many years for the IRI propaganda machine, and I'm sure that he doesn't deny it. However, I never said that he may have a relationship with you (he has way better taste in women) - I had said that he may be related to you ... big difference!
Dear Mehraban: I fully agree that Said Amin used to be approachable and could maintain a civilized email conversation. At the begining, he was even all for an open and user-regulated system for the new IC, but then fell for this all "moderated" and suffocating format.
شازده جان،
بنده هم این مطلب رو خدمت آقای امین ذکر کرده ام، که در نهایت، این حزبالله بازی و فاشیست گری گریبان گیر خود ایشان میشود - چون ۹۹% ایرانیان خارج از کشور مخالف هستند و از زور گویی و دیکتاتور مابی متنفرند. ولی حرف حساب به گوش ایشان نرفت و تکرار مکرّر میکردند که: مرغ یک پا دارد، میخواهی بخواه و نمیخواهی برو!
Shazdeh
My point is that we should not accuse the people that we don't know.
If our comments get deleted, this should not become a reason for insulting and accusing people of being a pro-IRI or this and that.
Like another person who had accused Saeid Amin, of the human traffic!! Just because someone, or and editor, does not let us doing our way, this doesn't give the reason for insulting and accusing them.
Remember the first time (or one of the first times) that you came in this site and your post was about the exact subject : Iranian.com is getting worse ....and this and that (I don't remember your exact words) but you were complaining about the new Iranian.com and comparing it with Iroon.com ?
I posted a comment under that blog saying that you should not come here to blog about another site, especially that the new Iranian.com is very friendly to Iroon.com and there's no animosity between the two sites.
What did you do?
You have deleted my comment! Not only that, you have even blocked me on your blogs!!!
So is this a sign that you too, are a fasciste or an IRI lover, because you do behave like them?
Souri: you either need a new set of glasses or a complete tune up!
I mean, most of the Tudeh party members are kind of crazy, but you are taking that to a whole new level. Your crazy story makes no sense, because if I had blocked you on my blogs, how come you can comment here?
Don't worry Shazdeh.
I am not willing to open a new chapter with you. Our file is closed now.
The Toudeh y are not crazy, and I am no more a Toudeh party's member.
I am not crazy and I never lie, nor I have any need to do it.
Just wanted to have a sane conversation with you and saying what I have always said : Respect the people.
Good bye
I don't respect people who:
1. Murder,
2. Torture,
3. Justify "people" who do that.
Shazde jaan,
May I suggest a Number 4: Deny that "people" do that.
I also distinctly remember an exchange a while ago on the old Iranian.com about the raping of political prisoners by the IRI, in which Souri denied that the IRI engaged in such rape.
I haven't been to iranian.com for a while and don't intend to return either. But reading that Darya, our beloved S. Khanoom, is now a moderator cracked me up. ;o)
What this site needs is good Iranian blogs (not gossip about iranian.com and whathaveyou), and fewer links (too many links, not enough good blogs).
my 2 cts.