Yes they saw the emam in the Moon. Apollo 17 ended in 1972. That's how stupid Iranians were in 1979.
But do you think Iranians have changed? I would argue NO. This new young generation does sheesheh while listening to Avril Lavigne with their girlfriend/boyfriend in parties. They are outspoken and dont give a shit. But so what? Left to their own devices, they will follow the same path as the previous generations. Unless...true change emerges.
What are the signs of true change? You will know that we might have a fighting chance again when you start hearing things like this everywhere, on a large scale, in the news, in the papers, on social media: These have to be demanded and declared, nationally, just like we demanded and declared a revolution in 1979:
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Agha, GOH KHORDEEM enghelab kardeem. The revolution is a failed experiment. Ghalat kardeem. We were fucking stupid.
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Supporter or not, Lets stop badmouthing the Shah (and our predecessors) and respect him and the Pahlavids as part of our identity. Good or bad, it's who we are.
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We promise to separate church from state from now on. Islam has no place in state affairs. There should be no official state religion. And no cleric should have any political mansab. Nor give political fatwas. Marja Taqleeds should go back to discussing the rituals of aftabeh and dampayee.
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Being friends/allies with Israel has always been and is in our best interests.
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Being friends with Arabs is in our best interests too for that matter: Our competition with our neighbors should be economic. Not strategic.
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Lets let the Bahais come back to our society, openly.
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40 years of enghelab has made us into mysoginist kos-khols (literally). As a sign that we've grown up mentally, we should have a woman as head of state. Heck, we sould even mandate that 50%+ of the parliament always be filled by women MPs. The rule of men by themselves in state affairs will always be keeree, to put it mildly. We need women to bring us back to sanity (after we've neutered religion).
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National interest should be the one and only ideology in our political and social decision processes.
Do you hear/see these things on a national level of discourse? No. So there you have it. We're fucked. Because we dont have the tokhm to change.
FTG: What Iranians need is 72 MOABs to shake their very core! 72 MOABs will for sure get Imam Hossein and his 72 pals out of the Iranains' funcking head once and for all!
1b1s1b
Start with Qom. That place needs a good old fashioned shokhm.
Just in case anyone is curious about the picture
Was the revolution a wrong, "the wrongest" thing to do?... then we should not repeat the same mistake... Should we have opted for a reform, back then?... So, let's do it now... One thing is for sure, though... on the scale of reformability (I just made it up) I argue shah and mullah score the same. There's no better alternative than reform for Iran . None whatsoever... Israel, (some) Arabs, and a certain part of Washington love to see our meehan in pieces... and they're working hard advocating their kinda alternative... don't fall for that...
Antsy, the only reason Israel seems so hostile is because of the tone and language that’s been coming out of Iran in the past 20 years.
Otherwise, we’d be speaking Arabic now, if it weren’t for the help Israel gave Iran in the war. Doctrine of the periphery.
"This new young generation does sheesheh while listening to Avril Lavigne with their girlfriend/boyfriend in parties" and participate in Ashura Nohehkhani or throwing Sofré parties for slaying of the murderous Ali.
So NO, HELLO NO, their culture is as rotten to the core as it was 40 years ago and before.
Fozolie
youre right. I don’t see any particular enlightenment in this generation as well. They’re basically the same copies of what we were.
Only if I may... Some of our friends never write something in “Farsi”, or if they do the result looks so google-tranlatish... It takes a lota skill to be so detached, yet judgmental...
I am curious to know what evidence is there to prove that people (In this case young generation I presume) have not changed and why would they still be ahmagh? We now have a generation of kids that are far more educated than ever before. (The knoweldge tree that the great Reza Shah planted is alive and bearing fruit) Millions of these kids now have access to internet and social media and they are connected to world outside. Large cross section of them have traveled outside of Iran and quite aware of the world outside. Do they drink or take drugs at parties, yes but every kid in every country does the same thing its part of growing up one could argue.
This generation had nothing to do with a fiasco of 1979 and yet they are paying the price for that disaster. They are struggling every single day, sometimes losing their life’s in process to push the country a head and make a fundamental changes needed. it’s a two step forward one step back and they are all doing that on their own without a help from any one. I think your take is a bit shallow and comes from more of anger rather than genuine analysis of what is going on.
It isn’t that hard to agree with our friend, MRX... I hve no doubt that our youth are smart enough, and quite capable of keeping the nukes after ousting the VF dictatorship...
Antsy,
FYI, one of the amendments of 1989 to the constitution of the Islamic Republic has eliminated the need for the Supreme Leader (rahbar) of the country to be a marja or VF.
Well Antsy if an unstable place like Pakistan can keep an eye on Nukes,then I am sure the youth in Iran can do the same, that is assuming there are nukes in Iran which there are none, and as I recall Rouhani's govt poured concrete on heavy water reactor.
https://www.foxnews.com/science/teen-builds-working-nuclear-fusion-reactor-in-memphis-home
I would add a couple more declarations:
1) get rid of the any law that punishes people for "insulting" the religion or those in positions of power. We will start moving forward as a society when we're not afraid to speak our minds and break taboos;
2) no debotors prisons. That will move the economy into the 21st century.