No one will help a nation other than themselves. There are no easy way out of the mess that Iran is in. Any suggestion that any US administration or other foreign governments will help the Iranians regain their country is profoundly naive. Governments do not help other nation unless it serves their own interests. Those interests are not necessarily aligned with those of the nation in question. Iran needs to find a solution from within and may be a few generations later it will become a progressive and modern nation it deserves to be.
It is good of you to sit in America , write poetry and tell Iranians to wait a few generations and do it themselves, tell them "lengesh kon"! But the Iranains in Iran would most appreciate the sanctions on the terrorist regime and when the time comes military support from US and our regional allies.
Zolfali, your comment is highly appreciated and while it may give you an instant pleasure of a jab, it reeks of populism and naïveté.
Firstly, you don’t know me and my background. Not your fault, but get to know someone before taking the liberty of passing judgment.
Secondly, if you believe that Iranians in Iran (including my own next of keen) appreciate the hardship of sanctions and blockade and foreign interference you know nothing about the Iranian society. To avoid getting the ‘Lengesh kon’ comment, it would probably be best for you to go and live there and experience those hardships that you’re prescribing and then Re-examine your thoughts.
Lastly, if you think anything good comes out of foreign military interference, then you’re blind as a bat when it comes to historical precedence. You shouldn’t go very far than Iraq and Afghanistan cases for a clear example.
While dismissing others seeking help to get rid of the unreformable Islamist fascism, you state the patently failed reforming Islamist fascism thusly: “Iran needs to find a solution from within and may be a few generations later it will become a progressive and modern nation it deserves to be”
Since you brought up the subject of naiveté about those seeking outside help - which does not mean military help, or American help only – don’t you think kicking the can down the road for “few generations” is also naïve?
At the rate Iran, the country with all her wealth and nature, is being depleted due Islamist fascists’ misuse and outright pillaging, do you think there will be much left for the “next few generations” of Iranians waiting for reform of Islamist fascism?
It will take generations to get over the current impasse in Iran. It has already take 3 generations since the revolution. Why? Because that’s the kinetics of social reform. The regime in Iran is a byproduct of a social upheaval. How many generations did it take for that to happen? These are social and anthropological principles that you can’t just magically and surgically find a quick solution to. This regime is not reformable. True, but populist “shoars” and foreign intervention are just simplified and lazy answers to very complicated problems. I reiterate, the future of Iran should come from within for it to have a lasting and positive change for that country. Anything else will be a butched attempt at securing short term national interests of foreign powers.
You have every right to repackage the tried and utterly failed theory of reformability of Islamist fascism. But, you do not have the luxury of prescribing continuation of misery for future generations of Iranians just because you do not see Iranians are ready for democracy.
Fred, It’s easy and convenient to brand a point of view that you don’t understand or can’t reasonsbly argue against as a regime propaganda. That on its own shows that you yourself are not ready for a democracy. And I assume you have lived for some duration in a democratic society. Now imagine a nation that hasn’t had the privilege of access to democratic infrastructure that me and you enjoy in the west... it’s not what me and you like to prescribe. There are facts and realities of sociology that no amount rhetoric can alter. Sorry if that’s not what you need to hear.
AmericaRules, social change within the Iranian society has been dynamically taken place for over a century and at least since the constitutional revolution of 1905 and it won’t stop. Every major event in Iranian contemporary history is a result of this movement. Growing pains if you like. There is no viable short term solution out of this impasse. It is what it is and the solution needs to organically grow from within Iran to have a lasting positive impact. The leadership of can certainly come out of Iranian forces overseas but the moment you attach foreign intervention to that, it won’t have a good outcome for people of Iran.
Thinking that a benovelant foreign power will bring in a force for good in any nation is a slap in the face of history.
But let’s hope I’m wrong and you’re right and 80 million people in Iran are a flock clueless sheep waiting for a gracious foreign shepherd to take them to the promise land. And while we’re at it, let’s ask the folks who thought along the same lines 40 years how they think now.
We all need to be student to history, not slaves to your emotions no matter how well intended we are.
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No one will help a nation other than themselves. There are no easy way out of the mess that Iran is in. Any suggestion that any US administration or other foreign governments will help the Iranians regain their country is profoundly naive. Governments do not help other nation unless it serves their own interests. Those interests are not necessarily aligned with those of the nation in question. Iran needs to find a solution from within and may be a few generations later it will become a progressive and modern nation it deserves to be.
aria jan
It is good of you to sit in America , write poetry and tell Iranians to wait a few generations and do it themselves, tell them "lengesh kon"! But the Iranains in Iran would most appreciate the sanctions on the terrorist regime and when the time comes military support from US and our regional allies.
Zolfali, your comment is highly appreciated and while it may give you an instant pleasure of a jab, it reeks of populism and naïveté.
Firstly, you don’t know me and my background. Not your fault, but get to know someone before taking the liberty of passing judgment.
Secondly, if you believe that Iranians in Iran (including my own next of keen) appreciate the hardship of sanctions and blockade and foreign interference you know nothing about the Iranian society. To avoid getting the ‘Lengesh kon’ comment, it would probably be best for you to go and live there and experience those hardships that you’re prescribing and then Re-examine your thoughts.
Lastly, if you think anything good comes out of foreign military interference, then you’re blind as a bat when it comes to historical precedence. You shouldn’t go very far than Iraq and Afghanistan cases for a clear example.
While dismissing others seeking help to get rid of the unreformable Islamist fascism, you state the patently failed reforming Islamist fascism thusly: “Iran needs to find a solution from within and may be a few generations later it will become a progressive and modern nation it deserves to be”
Since you brought up the subject of naiveté about those seeking outside help - which does not mean military help, or American help only – don’t you think kicking the can down the road for “few generations” is also naïve?
At the rate Iran, the country with all her wealth and nature, is being depleted due Islamist fascists’ misuse and outright pillaging, do you think there will be much left for the “next few generations” of Iranians waiting for reform of Islamist fascism?
It will take generations to get over the current impasse in Iran. It has already take 3 generations since the revolution. Why? Because that’s the kinetics of social reform. The regime in Iran is a byproduct of a social upheaval. How many generations did it take for that to happen? These are social and anthropological principles that you can’t just magically and surgically find a quick solution to. This regime is not reformable. True, but populist “shoars” and foreign intervention are just simplified and lazy answers to very complicated problems. I reiterate, the future of Iran should come from within for it to have a lasting and positive change for that country. Anything else will be a butched attempt at securing short term national interests of foreign powers.
You have every right to repackage the tried and utterly failed theory of reformability of Islamist fascism. But, you do not have the luxury of prescribing continuation of misery for future generations of Iranians just because you do not see Iranians are ready for democracy.
Fred, It’s easy and convenient to brand a point of view that you don’t understand or can’t reasonsbly argue against as a regime propaganda. That on its own shows that you yourself are not ready for a democracy. And I assume you have lived for some duration in a democratic society. Now imagine a nation that hasn’t had the privilege of access to democratic infrastructure that me and you enjoy in the west... it’s not what me and you like to prescribe. There are facts and realities of sociology that no amount rhetoric can alter. Sorry if that’s not what you need to hear.
You are more that welcome to twist my words and talk down to me. I find this back and forth an exercise in futility.
Take care.
AmericaRules, social change within the Iranian society has been dynamically taken place for over a century and at least since the constitutional revolution of 1905 and it won’t stop. Every major event in Iranian contemporary history is a result of this movement. Growing pains if you like. There is no viable short term solution out of this impasse. It is what it is and the solution needs to organically grow from within Iran to have a lasting positive impact. The leadership of can certainly come out of Iranian forces overseas but the moment you attach foreign intervention to that, it won’t have a good outcome for people of Iran.
Thinking that a benovelant foreign power will bring in a force for good in any nation is a slap in the face of history.
But let’s hope I’m wrong and you’re right and 80 million people in Iran are a flock clueless sheep waiting for a gracious foreign shepherd to take them to the promise land. And while we’re at it, let’s ask the folks who thought along the same lines 40 years how they think now.
We all need to be student to history, not slaves to your emotions no matter how well intended we are.
AR, your juvenile tone doesn’t deserve a serious answer.
Takr care!